Interview: Corroded Spiral

A lot of the sounds that you can hear on the EP go way back to early industrial stuff, the more raw side of electronic music. I think those elements are very inspiring and we try to capture some of those things that we really love in this project.

Corroded Spiral is a new project that combines the musical power of Igor Cavalera (Sepultura, Mixhell, Cavalera Conspiracy, Petbrick), Dwid Hellion (Integrity) and electronic producer Cardopusher. The trio have joined  together to create an awesome noise with their debut EP Ancient Nocturnal Summoning, a collection of music that blends influences like Throbbing Gristle and Coil with harsh and caustic noise elements to create a fully intense listening experience. Gavin Brown caught up with Igor and Dwid to hear all about how Corroded Spiral got together and recorded the EP as well as the potential for new material from the project and what other music they have coming up as well.

E&D: How did you guys get together to form Corroded Spiral in the first place?                        

Igor: Well, I think I’m the guilty party. It’s  my fault. During this period, a lot of gigs were not happening so I was trying to stay busy by doing some collaborative stuff with people that I really admire. Corroded Spiral is part of this. I had some ideas with synths and some noise toys that I have, and I sent it to Cardopusher. We started messing about, I think we wanted to collaborate with on different things for a long time, and we have done a lot of cool stuff together. I asked Dwid to do some voices to add to this project.

E&D: your debut EP Ancient Nocturnal Summoning is out now. What are the main influences on the sound of the EP?

Igor: A lot of the sounds that you can hear on the EP go way back to early industrial stuff, the early, more raw side of electronic music. I think those elements are very inspiring and we try to capture some of those things that we really love in this project.

E&D: You both work with Cardopusher as Corroded Spiral. Were you both fans of his before making music together?

Igor: I have know Luis for a long time. Since the early days of breakcore, doing different stuff, and then we ended up doing some stuff together in a techno label in Germany called Boyz Noise records, so I’m very familiar with his music and I really enjoy his productions which are very raw. I also like the fact that he includes always a bit of a South American thing to it.

Dwid: Igor turned me on to Cardopusher. I hadn’t heard him before he turned him to him. Igor always has his finger on the pulse of everything that’s cool and interesting in the world, so I rely on him

E&D: Dwid, What did you want to bring to the project with your vocals?

Dwid: Well, I would record the vocals alone, and then those guys would chop up the vocals and then use it as a different instrument instead of normally people singing onto preexisting or prerecorded music or they have a demo and then they write the lyrics and learn the patterns to the vocals over recorded music. We tried something different this way and I think it turned out pretty interesting and a bit unpredictable as well.I didn’t really know exactly what the end result would be, whereas usually in the more orthodox way of working, I usually am the last person to, to do the recording because of the vocals. I kind of can visualise how the whole song will be as I’m the first one to hear how the whole song will end in in this case. It was the reverse of that, which is pretty cool.

E&D: How did the creation and recording process go?

Igor: It was very like I said, not orthodox! I think because of many things, but also the fact that when we were working at this, we couldn’t really travel and get together and do things. I think there is also a strong element of this dystopian way of making an album, which is pushing limits, but also pushing the ideas of how to make music in a different way. I think this whole pandemic thing forced us to get creative on that side, which, for me, is really cool because I do love when things are out of the ordinary and not like the same thing over and over again which is great for me and Dwid as we’ve been doing music for over 30 years. For me, at least, every time I have a chance to do something that’s a bit out of the box, I get really excited about it. Different projects, different ideas in art in general, I think it’s always cool to push the limits and this album is no different, to the point with said, we started as a reef, first thing where he was singing, not knowing what kind of things were happen to his voice and same thing with stuff that me and Luis were sending back and forth would just keep manipulating like this this ideas. And, and this sounds until they became something that we felt was something like a song, but before it was just like files going back and forth on the internet.

E&D: Was it a challenging task getting everything together? Given all the other musical projects that you’ve all got going on?

Dwid: It was all done over the internet. They would just say, Hey, I need some more vocals, or they would say, Hey, could you do it a different way, louder, quieter, different with more strength or other references. And then I would send it to them and then they would disappear into the internet and in their crazy laboratories and do what they do!

E&D: Who are the biggest on the sound of Corroded Spiral? I’m definitely hearing some Coil and Godflesh in there.

Igor: Oh, that’s good. Yeah, I love those two bands, Coil being something that grew out of Throbbing Gristle which is a band that me and Dwid shared this love for. We even did a tape to with experimenting with sounds from Throbbing Gristle so it’s definitely one of those elements that influenced us.

E&D: Have you talked about plans for new music in the future, maybe a full length album?

Igor: That’s the thing, I like the idea of having a project thats not really a band thing you know, we just do things as they come and they’ll probably come to us. If an album is something that in the future we would get together and do it, I’m totally cool with it, but there is no pressure. There are no master plans behind this. I think the only thing we’ve been talking about is maybe doing a concert in Malta, this festival of experimental electronic music, and that’s pretty much the only thing that we have as a plan besides releasing a tape out of this recording. Hopefully this live performance that we do together will inspire us to make more music.


E&D: Both of you obviously come from extreme music backgrounds. How did you both get into like electronic music in the first place? Was it bands like Throbbing Gristle?

Dwid: Yeah, that was one of the first Whitehouse, was another. Too many to list, I guess, but in the eighties that was, to me, I thought that was more extreme than what was going on with punk and metal in some cases, because they were pushing limits and people were really finding it to be more unpleasant than even punk rock or heavy metal at the time, so that attracted me as well. The fact that it was taboo or misunderstood by most music audiences and to some degree it still is today.

Igor: I’ve always been really into those bands and early electronic music and people pushing limits. I remember seeing Einstürzende Neubauten in 1989, they played a show in Holland and we were touring and me and my brother went to see that. It was nothing like rock and metal concerts. It was more, I don’t know, industrial was a term that they use a lot and it was in that sense. They were playing this abandoned site and they were beating on on metal scraps and recording and looping stuff. Watching that was a big inspiration and from that moment on, I could see where I could try to incorporate some of this in my music. Later on, as I tried to experiment a bit on making that kind of stuff, it’s something that I really enjoy and I think Corroded Spiral, it is part of this curiosity that you’re always trying to do new things.

E&D: Do you think it’s more open minded now making such experimental music?

Igor: Yeah. I think people are a little more open minded when it comes to noise and electronic music and things like that. I remember, even if I told some people what I liked, it was terrifying for a lot of the radical metal or hardcore at the time, even saying how much I enjoyed that kind of stuff. It was a bit of a shock for a lot of people and  nowadays I think it’s a lot easier for them to digest all that stuff.

E&D: Would you consider doing remixes as Corroded Spiral for other artists?

Igor: That would be great. I mean, again, it will be something totally unorthodox, like if we get to do a remix for someone, you’ll probably do all this crazy back and forth of files between London, Barcelona and Ghent in Belgium and out of this madness, I think something really good would come out.

E&D: What other music are you both working on at the moment?

Dwid: I’m working on a new Psywarfare album for Relapse and eventually a new Integrity record for Relapse as well. In addition, I’ve got all of my back catalogue from my early albums back into my possession and Relapse is reissuing those starting next year. There’s a special guest on one of those albums, which we’re not allowed to talk about yet!

Igor: I have got a new Petbrick record with Rocket here in Europe and Neurot in the US and also some stuff with my brother later, before the end of the year, which is pretty much now. Then there is our studio here in London where me and my wife, we work pretty much every day on stuff from remixes to producing other stuff. There’s always something happening, either it’s a project or it’s some weird stuff that I do just for my own sake of keeping my sanity.

E&D: So you both like keeping busy when it comes to making music, especially having more time over the past however many months?

Dwid: Yeah, for me, I, don’t really do anything other than create music or artwork. I don’t really know how to do anything else and that’s what I like to do. I’m in a lucky position that I’m able to do that and real life gets in the way of me being able to do the work more than the other way around for me. It’s something I find to be cathartic, almost a religious experience to be able to create things like this.

Igor: I think in the last two years or whatever, it’s been a lot of concentration on, like Dwid said, making art and making things. I feel lucky that I can still do that, but at the same time, I really miss the whole process of doing something in performing. I think performing is also a big part of my life. I enjoy performing everything I do,  even if, if it is remotely or whatever, but yeah, I think I’m looking forward to present more and more things in a live situation, because again, that’s what I’ve been doing since I was fourteen year old. I make music, but I also like to perform that music and get some different energy than the studio.

E&D: What have been some of your proudest moments during your vast musical careers over the years?

Dwid: Well, I’ve had a lot of unbelievable situations happen to me that I never thought would be possible when I was a child. Being friends with Igor is a great honour for me. I had an album that Pushead did the artwork for and that was a childhood dream come true for me. Just the fact that I’m able to make music is, is unbelievable to me. I grew up on a farm in Indiana, so this wasn’t really on the cards for me originally, but somehow it unfolded this way. Now I live in Belgium and I have a lot of great friends that I collaborate with and make music, so I’m pretty blessed by all of this. I don’t really have one badge of honour from all of this, but it’s all been a pretty great experience so far.

Igor: I have many highlights, you know, collaborating with people that I respect, but most important, a few years ago I made a deal with myself that I would only work with people that I love. I wouldn’t work with people for just the money or any other stuff besides having a proper connection, a deep connection, and that’s something that, for me, it keeps my spirit very free because otherwise money can be a thing that can sacrifice your creative ideas. I made this pact to myself and I’ve been really, really fortunate to be able to collaborate with a lot of people, and that’s really cool and I’m looking forward to do more. I have many dreams to, to work with different people in the future and hopefully a lot of those things will come true if I keep pushing  ideas and bugging the right people! Coming from Brazil in the eighties and breaking all those barriers as a musician, as an artist, that for me, that’s already success, not money or whatever,  success is something that I show my kids that I survived through all these years, doing something that I love and hopefully they will do the same.

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